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09-27-2013, 09:56 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-27-2013, 09:57 AM by colonel.)
#31
RE: turned turn signals into LED brake light
I just got some LED's on EBay. A roll of 300 LEDs 5 meters long. Cut to fit what ever I want. About $10 for a roll this size. Waterproof ones are a little more. I got the plain roll and bought a roll of clear heat shrink tubing to waterproof them myself. Shrink tube is a couple bucks for a 10 foot length. Shrink it down over the LED strip and seal the ends with silicon sealer.

LEDs: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SPECIAL-OFFER-Su...5d3f41be78

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09-27-2013, 11:05 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-27-2013, 11:06 AM by mjb1515.)
#32
Re: turned turn signals into LED brake light
@Oldephart
Please let me know what you come up with. I think the rear needs to be more visible especially during winter riding when cars really don't expect you to be on the road. I'm planning on going with the Gerbing thermo lined electric heating option, instead of buky later...
Thanks John

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09-27-2013, 11:28 AM,
#33
RE: turned turn signals into LED brake light
(09-27-2013, 11:05 AM)mjb1515 Wrote: I'm planning on going with the Gerbing thermo lined electric heating option, instead of buky later...


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in english?
did you see these
http://www.customdynamics.com/Yamaha_tail_retro.htm
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09-27-2013, 12:16 PM,
#34
Re: turned turn signals into LED brake light
@jmck
Wow that is a heck of a lot of info... We need to sign something just to interpret. In going to call them up and get some info.
Do you have this system of modulation?......
What set up do you want or have?
I'm really interested in gaining the brake light feature on the turns. I did see that you guys had a great way of doing this by inserting red LEDs
Rolleyes

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09-27-2013, 12:50 PM,
#35
Re: RE: turned turn signals into LED brake light
(09-27-2013, 12:16 PM)mjb1515 Wrote: @jmck
Wow that is a heck of a lot of info... We need to sign something just to interpret. In going to call them up and get some info.
Do you have this system of modulation?......
What set up do you want or have?
I'm really interested in gaining the brake light feature on the turns. I did see that you guys had a great way of doing this by inserting red LEDs
Rolleyes

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No that's just something I found on the net. I have a S40 modular and Leds in the turns signals you mentioned

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09-27-2013, 01:13 PM,
#36
Re: turned turn signals into LED brake light
Hey brother I saw your you tube video. I subscribed to your channel.... Like it.... Mjb1515 is my user if. I'll leave you good feedback
When I get back from work b I'm calling b those people.
Thanks for the heads up

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09-27-2013, 03:53 PM,
#37
RE: turned turn signals into LED brake light
Will do. I plan to double-check the circuit board design over the weekend and get the prototype boards on order. So, with any luck I should be able to test the unit by the next weekend.
(09-27-2013, 11:05 AM)mjb1515 Wrote: @Oldephart
Please let me know what you come up with. I think the rear needs to be more visible especially during winter riding when cars really don't expect you to be on the road. I'm planning on going with the Gerbing thermo lined electric heating option, instead of buky later...
Thanks John

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V&H Cruzer Pipes, Memphis Shades Bat Wing, Floorboards, Highway Bars,
Locking Bags, Tail Rack, LED Signals & Aux Brake Lights, Headlight Modulator,
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09-27-2013, 08:25 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-27-2013, 08:36 PM by OldePhart.)
#38
RE: turned turn signals into LED brake light
BTW...in doing some Google searches for related topics I keep running across many, many threads where people have replaced all of their signal bulbs with LEDs and then end up with all four flashing whenever the signals are used (though often the "off" side will be dimmer than the "on" side).

Though I've seen partial answers to those posts I've never seen a really thorough explanation - and if you folks know anything about me you know I tend to like thorough (some might say downright pedantic) answers. So, if you encounter this situation after going to all LED turn signals here is a thorough description of what is happening and how to fix it.

In a nut shell, when you see this happen the culprit is the turn signal indicator light on the instrument cluster. Many, many bikes (and most older cars) have the same signal wiring, which I shall describe in excessive detail...

You have a positive-voltage "strobing" signal coming from the flasher relay. It is routed through a switch to either the left signals or the right signals. The turn signal indicator in the instrument cluster is an incandescent bulb that is higher resistance than the bulbs in the flashers and that glows at a much lower current. One wire from this indicator bulb is connected to the left signal and the other to the right (hereafter I'll use L and R since I'm lazy).

The way this works (with incandescent bulbs) is that the indicator bulb has one end connected to the circuit that is flashing, which is where it gets its positive voltage - the other end of the bulb is "grounded" through the bulbs for the "off" side. There is current flowing through the signals that are not flashing, but it is not enough current to make the signal bulbs glow, it is only enough current to make the small indicator bulb in the cluster glow.

Everything keeps working fine if you replace only the front or rear bulbs with LEDs because the one that has a bulb continues to provide that "ground" which keeps the voltage on that side of the indicator from being high enough to drive even the LED bulbs. But, when you replace both the front and rear bulbs with LEDs the current through the indicator in the cluster is enough to drive the LED "bulbs" to glow.

Generally, one of two things will happen when you go to all LED signals on a bike that doesn't have either 4-way flashers or a digital instrument cluster. 1) The signals work normally (well, they may "hyperflash" if you're using a stock flasher) but the signal indicator in the cluster doesn't work. This isn't a major deal and I probably wouldn't worry about it. 2) The far more common case is that all of the signals will flash. The "off" side may or may not be dimmer than the selected side.

The way to fix this is to remove that "bridge" between the two sides that is formed by the indicator in the cluster. If you don't care about the indicator you can simply snip one lead to it and insulate the ends. If you want the indicator to work then you need to do a little more work and you need a couple of cheap parts. First, snip the leads to the indicator in the cluster. Tie one lead from the indicator bulb in the cluster (it doesn't matter which one) to ground. Insert a small diode (1n4008 works fine and is readily available) in each of the original leads coming to the indicator and connect the other end of the diode to the remaining lead on the indicator bulb. The end of the diode that has the "stripe" around it goes towards the cluster indicator bulb on both. This will prevent the voltage from one side from "leaking" through the indicator bulb to drive the other side.

Reading back over this I realize that it is probably as clear, and about as useful, as mud. Since I will be making this mod on my 650 I'll take pictures and illustrate it when I get there. :)

John
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V&H Cruzer Pipes, Memphis Shades Bat Wing, Floorboards, Highway Bars,
Locking Bags, Tail Rack, LED Signals & Aux Brake Lights, Headlight Modulator,
Brake Light Modulator, 5/8" Gel Pad Under Upholstery.
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09-27-2013, 09:48 PM,
#39
Re: RE: turned turn signals into LED brake light
(09-27-2013, 01:13 PM)mjb1515 Wrote: Hey brother I saw your you tube video. I subscribed to your channel.... Like it.... Mjb1515 is my user if. I'll leave you good feedback
When I get back from work b I'm calling b those people.
Thanks for the heads up

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Oh that was you. Actually not my real channel YouTube tricked me into starting a new channel. I send you a link to my real channel, if I can work out how, or search jmck

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09-27-2013, 09:56 PM,
#40
Re: turned turn signals into LED brake light
Cool I'll check it out.....

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10-14-2015, 06:25 PM,
#41
RE: turned turn signals into LED brake light
(09-27-2013, 08:25 PM)OldePhart Wrote: BTW...in doing some Google searches for related topics I keep running across many, many threads where people have replaced all of their signal bulbs with LEDs and then end up with all four flashing whenever the signals are used (though often the "off" side will be dimmer than the "on" side).

Though I've seen partial answers to those posts I've never seen a really thorough explanation - and if you folks know anything about me you know I tend to like thorough (some might say downright pedantic) answers. So, if you encounter this situation after going to all LED turn signals here is a thorough description of what is happening and how to fix it.

In a nut shell, when you see this happen the culprit is the turn signal indicator light on the instrument cluster. Many, many bikes (and most older cars) have the same signal wiring, which I shall describe in excessive detail...

You have a positive-voltage "strobing" signal coming from the flasher relay. It is routed through a switch to either the left signals or the right signals. The turn signal indicator in the instrument cluster is an incandescent bulb that is higher resistance than the bulbs in the flashers and that glows at a much lower current. One wire from this indicator bulb is connected to the left signal and the other to the right (hereafter I'll use L and R since I'm lazy).

The way this works (with incandescent bulbs) is that the indicator bulb has one end connected to the circuit that is flashing, which is where it gets its positive voltage - the other end of the bulb is "grounded" through the bulbs for the "off" side. There is current flowing through the signals that are not flashing, but it is not enough current to make the signal bulbs glow, it is only enough current to make the small indicator bulb in the cluster glow.

Everything keeps working fine if you replace only the front or rear bulbs with LEDs because the one that has a bulb continues to provide that "ground" which keeps the voltage on that side of the indicator from being high enough to drive even the LED bulbs. But, when you replace both the front and rear bulbs with LEDs the current through the indicator in the cluster is enough to drive the LED "bulbs" to glow.

Generally, one of two things will happen when you go to all LED signals on a bike that doesn't have either 4-way flashers or a digital instrument cluster. 1) The signals work normally (well, they may "hyperflash" if you're using a stock flasher) but the signal indicator in the cluster doesn't work. This isn't a major deal and I probably wouldn't worry about it. 2) The far more common case is that all of the signals will flash. The "off" side may or may not be dimmer than the selected side.

The way to fix this is to remove that "bridge" between the two sides that is formed by the indicator in the cluster. If you don't care about the indicator you can simply snip one lead to it and insulate the ends. If you want the indicator to work then you need to do a little more work and you need a couple of cheap parts. First, snip the leads to the indicator in the cluster. Tie one lead from the indicator bulb in the cluster (it doesn't matter which one) to ground. Insert a small diode (1n4008 works fine and is readily available) in each of the original leads coming to the indicator and connect the other end of the diode to the remaining lead on the indicator bulb. The end of the diode that has the "stripe" around it goes towards the cluster indicator bulb on both. This will prevent the voltage from one side from "leaking" through the indicator bulb to drive the other side.

Reading back over this I realize that it is probably as clear, and about as useful, as mud. Since I will be making this mod on my 650 I'll take pictures and illustrate it when I get there. :)

John
Hello John,
your post about the issues with LED signal indicators was great- not mud. But pictures are worth a thousand words. Please post some. Thanks!
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10-14-2015, 10:05 PM,
#42
RE: turned turn signals into LED brake light
(10-14-2015, 06:25 PM)allemande Wrote:
(09-27-2013, 08:25 PM)OldePhart Wrote: BTW...in doing some Google searches for related topics I keep running across many, many threads where people have replaced all of their signal bulbs with LEDs and then end up with all four flashing whenever the signals are used (though often the "off" side will be dimmer than the "on" side).

Though I've seen partial answers to those posts I've never seen a really thorough explanation - and if you folks know anything about me you know I tend to like thorough (some might say downright pedantic) answers. So, if you encounter this situation after going to all LED turn signals here is a thorough description of what is happening and how to fix it.

In a nut shell, when you see this happen the culprit is the turn signal indicator light on the instrument cluster. Many, many bikes (and most older cars) have the same signal wiring, which I shall describe in excessive detail...

You have a positive-voltage "strobing" signal coming from the flasher relay. It is routed through a switch to either the left signals or the right signals. The turn signal indicator in the instrument cluster is an incandescent bulb that is higher resistance than the bulbs in the flashers and that glows at a much lower current. One wire from this indicator bulb is connected to the left signal and the other to the right (hereafter I'll use L and R since I'm lazy).

The way this works (with incandescent bulbs) is that the indicator bulb has one end connected to the circuit that is flashing, which is where it gets its positive voltage - the other end of the bulb is "grounded" through the bulbs for the "off" side. There is current flowing through the signals that are not flashing, but it is not enough current to make the signal bulbs glow, it is only enough current to make the small indicator bulb in the cluster glow.

Everything keeps working fine if you replace only the front or rear bulbs with LEDs because the one that has a bulb continues to provide that "ground" which keeps the voltage on that side of the indicator from being high enough to drive even the LED bulbs. But, when you replace both the front and rear bulbs with LEDs the current through the indicator in the cluster is enough to drive the LED "bulbs" to glow.

Generally, one of two things will happen when you go to all LED signals on a bike that doesn't have either 4-way flashers or a digital instrument cluster. 1) The signals work normally (well, they may "hyperflash" if you're using a stock flasher) but the signal indicator in the cluster doesn't work. This isn't a major deal and I probably wouldn't worry about it. 2) The far more common case is that all of the signals will flash. The "off" side may or may not be dimmer than the selected side.

The way to fix this is to remove that "bridge" between the two sides that is formed by the indicator in the cluster. If you don't care about the indicator you can simply snip one lead to it and insulate the ends. If you want the indicator to work then you need to do a little more work and you need a couple of cheap parts. First, snip the leads to the indicator in the cluster. Tie one lead from the indicator bulb in the cluster (it doesn't matter which one) to ground. Insert a small diode (1n4008 works fine and is readily available) in each of the original leads coming to the indicator and connect the other end of the diode to the remaining lead on the indicator bulb. The end of the diode that has the "stripe" around it goes towards the cluster indicator bulb on both. This will prevent the voltage from one side from "leaking" through the indicator bulb to drive the other side.

Reading back over this I realize that it is probably as clear, and about as useful, as mud. Since I will be making this mod on my 650 I'll take pictures and illustrate it when I get there. :)

John
Hello John,
your post about the issues with LED signal indicators was great- not mud. But pictures are worth a thousand words. Please post some. Thanks!
it all make sense to me. i remember on old cars that didn't have seperate signal lights there was brake cancel in the signal stat. when they went bad it was a nightmare. sometimes id pull the whole steering colum apart
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